Monday, November 23, 2009

Report #1

(Posted June 2, 2010 but dated November 23, 2009 to keep a top-down flow on this site.)

The wait is over!
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Since the last update:

I had the opportunity to meet John in April for breakfast and for an hour at the local range.  John is now my 'go to guy' for all things guns.  As you can see in his report, he is both detail-oriented and knows his firearms.  He installed night sites on my G30, and I ordered his "Mitt" IWB holster for the same gun.  

I've worn the Mitt for two weeks now and am impressed.  This G36 experience is just part of a bigger story of finding the right carry gun.  I've bounced between the G26 and one of my 4" 1911's for months, but have always wanted the Glock + .45ACP combo.  I've tried the G30 with an outside-waist-band holster but was too conscious of the weight and size.  I've also used a Crossbreed SuperTuck which is equally comfortable but is a bit more difficult to put on and take off.  

A gun belt should be paired with the Mitt to distribute the G30's weight.  I've been happy with the belts from Crossbreed and High Noon Holsters.

John didn't ask me for this plug.  He earned it with a great holster.  Send him a note if you think the Mitt is right for you - his contact info is at the top-left of this site.  The Mitt with free shipping: $35!

Updated Aug 23, 2013:

John's report was originally a PDF hosted by Adobe.  They dropped the link.  My apologies.

I've uploaded the file to Google Documents and updated the link above.  

Thanks to those who have visited and left comments.  I'm sorry to hear there are still some bad G36's floating around out there.  

Remember, my advice is not to avoid the G36, but to put 100 rounds through one before buying.  The seller who doesn't let you do that has a reason, and is saving you hundreds of dollars and a whole lot of grief.

To those compelled to leave anonymous criticisms, please review the site in full before typing.  

58 comments:

  1. I followed this on both GT and here and I'm wondering whether there is any chance of the following. The empty case, still held by the extractor comes rearward with the slide until the rim of the case strikes the mouth of the next cartridge in the mag. This bounces the rear of the empty case upward and out from under the extractor. The empty case thus never hits the ejector, the slide fully cycles and picks the next cartridge from the mag -- JAM.

    This scenario might even explain why the problem shows up most frequently when the pressure on the cartridges in the mag is at its highest. Would have been interesting to see the failures with 6+1 (cycling with a full mag).

    To test, you could put a bit of fingernail polish on the top surface of the top round in a full mag, chamber a round from a different mag, swap mags to put in the "painted" one, vigorously hand cycle the slide to the rear without allowing it to come forward, and lock the slide back. Now inspect the polish on the next cartridge to see if the case mouth was hit.

    Worth a try?

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  2. This is almost certainly a problem with the extractor or the magazine latch. Since Glock probably did replace the extractor that's probably eliminated. I would try replacing the Magazine Latch. I am beting there is just enough play in that to cause the FTE.

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  3. I will add this to the tests. I will replace the latch and spring to insure complete refresh. Cheap enough. Thanks John

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  4. Bro I hate to say it but your getting a common limp wrist jam. Straighten your elbows and lean into it. I've seen 200 lb men do it a million times shooting uspsa.

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  5. When I intentionally limp wrist it, I get the normal stovepipe and almost always synonomis with LW. But, I have never been able to reproduce this type of stoppage with a LW. I've been teaching people to shoot the Glocks for going on 20 years now and have seen many LWs and after a little correction are back in the game. If I had a ransom rest, I would bet a dollar you would get this stacked stoppage. 5 Glock shooters and carriers have had this same stoppage and with this Glock only. Come on, you're smarter than that. Why don't I LW the other G36 I have?

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  6. I have the same jam problem and my gun went through Glock shop once. Still have the same problem with WWB or Fed 230Gr ball. I have shot 6 rounds of +P ammo with factory stock condition. just to see if ammo works for the gun. Now I am carrying mine G36 with +P ammo. I have also purchased wolff reduced recoil springs 15 LB with guide rods. so far 100 rounds of WWB without the jam. need to do more to be sure if the 15LB recoil springs help the problem with low cost ammo.

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  7. I was getting same problem with mine before I ditched it. High powered defense rounds helped slightly with the problem. Hope this is helpful.

    I have many 1911's and Glocks, only the 36 jammed so it's the 36 not me.

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  8. I keep wondering if a stronger guide spring, and maybe tungsteen guide rod would solve the issue, but then again, some G36 owners never experience issues. The G36 seems to be the black sheep of the family.

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  9. sure sounds like a whinning little kid that bought the wrong gun and caliber wanted something for free like a new calaber gun sense he wasnt happy with the caliber he got ,squeky wheels get the grease

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  10. John, I have been fixing Glocks around the globe for Uncle Sam for quite a few years (62 yrs old tomorrow!). Throw in a 10% higher power Wolf magazine spring, and then, just for extra reliability, spend the extra $$ and get the Glockmeister engineered captured stainless steel, dual spring recoil spring/rod assembly(GMSSR29CS glockmeister.com). It's beautifully made and will make sure you are getting rid of any problems with Glock's cheapo version. If this doesn't work, I owe you a case of brew. I know some will say why should u have to do this - well, because you do, and it may be your ass if u don't, that's why. mls149

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  11. mls149 - I have to agree with your assessment and feel a better recoil assembly will correct the cycling issue. I think the mag is also culprit as it is the softest Glock mag spring I have ever felt even on new mags. Pushing the rounds up with more force should overcome the tendency to let the round come out of the magazine at the wrong time or angle. Just so strange that one of the 36 works fine and the other is so finiky. Another test I did with just dummy rounds is put the 36 upper on my 30sf lower with no issues encountered. What's also strange is the different combination of parts changed can all fix the same issue. All fixes, I've seen, seem to work because more pressure is applied to cartridge or case at the proper moment in the cycle them where they need to be instead of jamming into each other. Money and weather has slowed my testing as well as other projects, but as I test out some of these fixes, I will make another document with my findings. So far I want to try, swapping uppers between 36 and 36 upper on 30 to see if upper or lower is more culprit. Mag springs are a simple check but expensive with 17 mags. Recoil assembly has been looked at and would like to be tried. I agree, a much better engineered product. Extractor springs and rods have helped some by keeping the cartridge held firm during extraction. I've measured many aspects of the frames between the 2 36 guns and do see a slight difference in rear frame rail hight being lower on the issue 36. Maybe some slight binding under pressure. None noticed during manual cycling though. Like I said many fixes seem to work on this otherwise nice gun. Seems like Glock had it's engineering right on the line of functional and when some stray a little more than normal, you get a picky one.

    I like the SS Lone Wolf made recoil assembly and the Glockmeister looks like the same part but blackened. I saw a few others SS assemblies I liked also. I will try one of these eventually.

    Happy B-Day. Must be fun travelling and fixing Glocks. How did you get into that?

    Thanks for the input. -John (SiGlockBoy)

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  12. I too have had issues as described with my Glock 36. I have Pearce Plus-0 extensions on all my G36 magazines. My last trip to the range resulted in a FTE/FTF with each mag change. Ammo is always the cheap range rounds. Last week I ordered a new SS guide rod and spring assembly from LWD. I'll post again after it's delivered, replaced and tried.

    - CT in MI

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  13. Sorry to hear about your G36 issues. I am happy to say I don't have the 36, but do have the 20,26,30 and 34. To date not a single issue with my Glocks. I would trust my life to them! As a side not, my Para 1911 is at the factory now due to issues in every mag I fire. If they can fix it, it will be replaced by a Glock!

    KW in Orlando

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  14. I have 3 other Glocks (26, 23, 21) that have no issues at all. I installed a new SS guide rod and spring on the 36 and continue to have the same problem. I'm looking for the next logical step to resolve the problem.

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  15. have over 1,000 rounds through my g36 and the only time i have a prob is with old or cheap ammo just spend the extra and get the good stuff cause you have already screwed the manufacturer db

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  16. I have a Glock 36 and have put hundreds of rounds through it with absolutely zero failures of any kind. What was the production date of your Glock? Mine is an NGL prefix from June 2009.

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  17. There is no evidence of a relationship between manufacture date and this G36 defect.

    I found a GlockTalk thread this past week where two buyers of NEW G36s have this issue, and a buyer of a used G36 has also mentioned malfunctions. (I am assuming their G36 issues are the same as others as ALL G36 issues I've seen reported, up to now, have been the same defect.)

    That is 3.5 years since I bought my G36, and two years since the lawsuit. The G36 has a solid record of having a higher defect rate than what most would consider normal, and yet it appears Glock has not made any effort to acknowledge or fix this. They did just announce a recall for Gen4 pistols, so they do know how to do a recall.

    GlockTalk Thread: http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1341125&highlight=G36

    Chris

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    1. Glock doesn't do recalls. They issue upgrades.

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  18. Im having the same case eject / stuck on top of the next round problem. My first thought was need a stronger ejector spring to hang on. My next thought was the ejector rod pushing the empty to the right too soon, making it snap out of the ejector finger. Heck, my gen2 g-23 ejector tip-end is chipped off, and still works great. steve

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  19. Any more updates on this guns issues? Was it ever resolved?

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  20. Not resolved.

    Glock still hasn't acknowledged the issue, although it appears all new cases are coming from pre-2011 G36s.

    John has plans for more tests but has been short on time and funds.

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  21. I recently purchased a Glock 36 in December of 2011. Had shot the gun mulitiple times each time shooting off around 100 to 150 rounds each time. On January 22, 2012, I went shooting again to make sure I was ready for my CCW classes the following 3 days. During this day I had experienced 4 different times when the casing didn't extract properly. When I talked to the guy at the range, (this is the same range that I had also purchased the gun from btw), I was told it was because I wasn't holding the handgun properly!!! I've been shooting my whole life, so I know it had nothing to do with the way I was holding it. On the 25th, I was at the range for the shooting part of my CCW course. I went through the first 30 rounds perfectly with no missfires. Came in for the next 30 and got the first 6 of those off with no issues either. Went to load my clip again, got the next 2 shots off fine, 3rd shot in on that clip the gun literally blew up in my hand!!! The gun is a total waist! I went to see my lawyer about this and we contacted Glock together. The tech told my lawyer that there is a certain way you have to warm up the polymer before you even shoot the gun! I've never heard of anything like that before and to me that is just rediculous!!! And yet again, I was told that I was holding it wrong that caused the missfire and maybe even the explosion. I personally think that anyone who deals with Glock directly as dealers even who work at the company, are just trained to say things in order to cover their own butts!

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  22. Try using ammo other than Winchester White Box. It would always give me failures to feed and other issues in both my Glock 23s. Thats when the pressure on the next is at its highest and hence its harder for the slide to chamber, because I noticed the Winchester White Boxes only did it, possibly underpowered ammo resulting in not enough force on the return to chamber the round in my case? Maybe.... Used all other ammo and it was fine. Now the top comment makes sense to me about the casing being extracted hitting the rim of the casing next to chamber. People try going right to the worse case scenario sometimes when it can be a simple fix. Some guns just dont like certain ammo. BTW, what are you trying to get in your lawsuit??

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  23. Well, it's been awhile since this has been discussed, but I haven't forgot.

    I just got out awhile back to do a little shooting and decided to try the 'ole G36 to see if some of the recomendations would work.

    One of the things I've wanted to try for awhile was putting the Recoil Spring Assembly I had from another 30/36 which actually registered a 1/2lb less in strength than the others. Also it came from a glock that had no issues either. I've had the suspicion that the lower pressured rounds(I will call these rounds that are listed under 870fps on the box as low pressure) have been the culprit. So my theory was to shoot higher pressure ammo which have caused no issues and what Glock said they tested with would be a solution. Who wants to shoot higher priced ammo all the time. OR Get a spring assembly that was slightly weaker than the stock one to allow a full stroke.

    I shot, with the weaker assembly, a box of WWB and S&B which both had issues previously in my tests. I had absolutely 0 failures of any kind. Wife also shot and let the gun recoil around and still no LW or failures. So, I didn't test any of the other fixes such as Mag catch sprin or extractor combinations or + tension mag springs. What can I say other than my original theory proved correct.

    I always felt the gun was short stroking with basic target ammo. Glocked never shot that. They always shot hot or +P which in fact didn't give them or I any issues. I had suspected the recoil assembly and after testing spring rates among 4 sets, the one I had that was 1/2 lb less was my test subject.

    Now back tot he tests. Many things can cause it to short stroke and here lyes the problem. The mag springs are weak and some have replaced them to see it overcome the problem. Some overcome the problem with stronger extractor setups by mixing springs or rods from G30s. This can also work by just grabbing the shell harder and not letting it fall off the extractor causing the jam. Hot ammo works by causing a full cycle and certainly positive ejection.

    And finally the lighter spring, more used, also allowed the slide to cycle faster and hence a full cycle achieved to positively eject the case, overcome the slight stoppage by hitting the next round in mag and still have enough oomph to slam the slide closed with a fresh round.

    I am pleased that this change was a positive step in a long road of testing.

    Now to say we have a magic fix is not true as this problem can be solved by many different parts being corrected in a group or by itself. All I do know, is that it worked and was inline with the reasoning originally thought. No special chants or elixers. Just a good dose of making sure the balance in the system was brought down to a level in which this Glock decided it was time to play ball.

    For those who still have this issue, I would run out and purchase a new recoil asembly as you will probably make it worse as the new one will most likely be stronger than what you have currently. You would also think that after a few thousand rounds the original spring would have loosened up. To Glocks side, the springs certainly keep their spring for a long time.
    issue is currently plaguing your G36. Well, it's probably an older one, as newer ones seem to be much better these days. If so, I think I might go with a SS assembly by any one of the makers out there that allow you to purchase a -1 lb from stock assembly. 3 of mine ran at 17lbs and the one used one was at 16.5lbs. Just like most 1911 users have done for years, if you like shooting nothing but lighter loads, <870fps, go with lighter springs to compensate the lack of pressure generated to operate the system.

    SiGlockBoy cont...

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  24. Some stuff got cut so here's the end..

    I have since been carrying this gem and found Winchester PDX1 230grn to function great with the lower and normal strength recoil spring. Since it is listed at 942fps, I stand by my reasoning that issues can happen with problem pistols with ammo that is below the 870fps.

    So either shoot hot or find a softer assembly aftermarket to keep the low target ammo running.

    I really like the thinner profile and can feel it in the waist. I miss the 10rd G30 but can switch back if neccesary or put together the wonderful hybrid G30/36 and have the best of both worlds.

    Good luck.

    SiGlockBoy Out..

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    1. I as a newbie to shooting, found your report, truly first rate!!! Very well documented and laid out in easy to understand terms. I thank you for the time you took to research and resent an outstanding article!!!

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    2. Amen, Bravo sir.

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  25. I'm sorry to hear about your Glock...
    I love my G36, I've put 650 rds through it with just one stovepipe.
    It eats any ammo.
    To me, a .0015 failure rate is well above what I need to consider it "life or death reliable".
    As for my $1,500 Benelli M4 shotgun, that's a different story!.

    The M4 would fail to feed on one out of 7 rds!
    It didn't matter if I used 3" or 2+3/4", slugs or shot.
    I sent it to Benelli, twice, each time they said "it tested fine" (they are liars).
    Long story short, I took it apart & added about 2 inches to the recoil spring in the stock since the rds only needed a slight bit more force to fully chamber them (the weapon was always spotless since I learned to clean them in the Marines).
    I fixed my Benelli & have yet to have another FTF

    Getting a lemon sucks, but you can sometimes fix it better than the factory can.

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  26. Sorry, I meant a .0015 failure rate is "well below", not above...

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  27. Picked up my new G36 today. I find this site tonight after having all kinds problems. Shooting 150 rounds and had 17 fail to eject exactly like the pictures show. Seems as if the round ejecting is catching the round waiting to go in. What is funny is there is enough momentum for the slide to make it all the way back and start to strip the new round from the mag and into the the bottom of the stalled brass. The 150 was all new, not re-load. I did a quick clean and oil and picked up 100 re-load at the range. First 3-rounds same thing, next 3 ok??? Change mag, 6 rounds good, stayed with same mag for the rest of the 100 with no failures???? Seems as if its mag related and I did not realize it on the first 150. I will i will test this better next time out...

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  28. Bought a new Glock 36 about a month ago and I have had several of the same FTE malfunctions as outlined here. I was trying to open the report from John but it just keeps taking me to a acrobat page. I have adobe reader installed. Can anyone help?

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    1. yeah its simple...this guy and his lawsuit might be bs. try adjusting your grip. use a tighter grip forward and for the love of god dont shoot steel cased ammo in it

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  29. My G36 is also running perfectly. I have tried to "limp wrist" it to no avail. I have even shot it with 1 or 2 fingers holding the grip and 1 finger on the trigger. I have also pumped through at least 5-6 different brands of ammo w/o any issue. It works all day every day.

    I think it all comes down to the mfg. process and if you are one of the unlucky people then you are better off trying to get it exchanged then fixed based on this outcome.

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  30. Why can't people look at their stuff and fix it anymore. People are worthless.

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  31. I was going to buy a blue label G36 tomorrow. After reading this, I will not. I am a certified Glock armorer, and hold many NRA instructor certificates and RSO. I am not new to shooting. Before now, I had never heard of this issue. If I remember correctly, the standard for .45 ACP ammo has always been a 230 grain bullet, at 885 FPS +/- 25 FPS, at 25.5 feet from the muzzle, from a five inch barrel. If a firearm cannot function with .45ACP ammunition that meets that standard, the firearm is defective. The G36 has very good dimensions for a concealed carry pistol: not too small, and not too large, and not too heavy. I believe that it could be made thinner with a longer grip, allowing a higher capacity magazine, and a palm-filling grip, but Glock does not seem to be willing to depart very far from the original block Glock 17 design. I have owned many Glocks over the years. Currently, my 19, 34, and 31, all Gen 4's, shoot flawlessly, with any ammo. I had a Glock 33, shot flawlessly; it was stolen from my car at my gun club: RBGC. A Glock 36 will not be joining my stable.

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    1. because of one write up? seriously? mr. instructor did you see the techniques used my the man in the video...ever think thats what caused the malfunction...he even states that he used garbage steel cased ammo...of course it double fed

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  32. the report link is fraud. it goes to an acrobat advert page

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  33. You are a a queer... sue glock. What is with this sue happy world. I miss the good old days when people weren't such whiney bitches

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    1. You sound like a Glock lover. Glock is selling a crap product here and lovers of block are in total denial. You support Glock and how they do nothing about addressing this known reliability problem. with all the torture tests that Glock supposedly survives and all the neglect it can take and still shoot is just marketing. Obviously the Glock 36 can't be reliable under perfect conditions at the gun range. You interested in buying a used Glock 36 buddy?

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    2. glock is selling a crap product? wow then way are almost all law enforcement and even the military using them after how many years? and no its just not marketing. follow the reviews on youtube

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  34. Had exactly the same problem with my G36 Chris. FTE with the next round jammed up under the empty shell. Finally took it back to the gun shop and bought a different model.
    Had an FTE with one round out of twelve. All ammo types including some spear golddot and other carry loads.
    As the g36 is advertised as a slim carry pistol these FTE malfunctions are especially dangerous. I can't recommend anyone risk conceal carrying one without putting hundreds of rounds of whatever you plan on using as a defense load though it.

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  35. Chris,
    Know that your work on exposing the issues with Glock and their G36 is well done. Much respect for you.

    My G36 does the same BS. Purchased in 2007 and experienced the malfunctions then. I listened to the Glock crowd that talked about break in period, fire hundreds of rounds through it etc. So while it was breaking in I upgraded the trigger, and sights, bought many more mags, holsters, accessories specific to the G36. To this day it still is having reliability issues no matter the brand or type of ammo, magazine, grip, etc...same malfunctions as described by the other G36 owners.

    I have an XD45 that has been shooting flawlessly since day one with the same ammo that the G36 regularly chokes on. Glock "perfection" is a joke...apparently many of these pistols require troubleshooting right out of the box! I'm not even going to deal with Glock because they wont fix it. I plan on polishing the feed ramp, replacing the extractor/spring and replacing the recoil spring. Hopefully this will minimize if not completely eliminate the reliability issues. After all...this is my primary concealed carry tool. If anyone out there knows the solution to this G36 problem then definitely share the details. -Jason

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  36. Thank you for this excellent write-up. I just bought a g36 and ran 100 rounds through it. I bought the pistol primarily to create a hybrid with 45 slim slide on g29 frame using 45acp mags. When shooting the pistol on the g36 frame I have the exact same failure to extract issue. When shooting the pistol on the g29 frame I don't have the issue at all. After reading through the article I'm certain that the extractor is pulling back the spent case and catching on the case mouth of the next round in the magazine causing the extractor to slip off the case rim and causing the failure. I'll try to go with Johns fix and go with the lighter RSA. It makes sense that using the lighter spring should allow the cartridges with less power to slam to the rear harder and slip over the case mouth of the next round faster/easier.

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    1. Okay, I'm the same poster as above. I had the opportunity to test my G36 again. This time I ran around 150 rounds through it 100 rounds of the same batch and 50 rounds of Remington UMC. I changed the RSA to a Wolff 15 lb RSA and I also swapped the extractor rod with the one from my G29 I measured them both and the G29 rod was a bit longer so I went with that one. I also changed the factory safety plunger with an aftermarket titanium one only because there was a burr on the factory one. So, those are the three things I did differently this time and I had none of the same problems. During the testing I swapped the Wolff RSA with the one from my G29 and still no problems. I'm pretty sure that the longer extractor rod was what cured the problem by putting more pressure on the extractor. However, I had a new problem this time. While firing and having rounds in the magazine the slide would lock to the rear intermittenly. I'm pretty sure this was from my thumb nudging the slide stop up. I'm going to cut most of the slide stop off and see if it fixes the issue.

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  37. Excellent information. I purchased my G36 a few months ago as an LEO trade-in. I enjoy shooting it, but began to experience the FTE problem after running only a couple of mags through it. I thought it might be something wrong with my particular pistol, but I now realize it's a much bigger problem. I am very disappointed to hear that Glock refuses to even acknowledge the problem, much less fix it.

    Funds are rather tight at the moment, so my options are limited, but I may try to take all of the information you have posted here to my local gunsmith and see what he suggests. If he is able to come up with a good solution, I will certainly share.

    One last thing; as others have mentioned, the link to John's First Report is broken. It takes you to the Adobe website. Please fix the link as I would very much like to read John's report.

    Thanks so much!!

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  38. Thanks for the kind comments.

    I just updated the report link - now pointing to Google Docs. Sorry for being AWOL.

    No word from John about another set of tests. I think more tests were going to involve some expenses that were hard to justify.

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  39. Anyone that says your "limp wristing", "buy good ammo", "don't be a cry baby" obviously doesn't own a P.O.S. Glock 36 like I do. I've changed my glock 36's name to "My Jam-o-matic" and use it as proof that Glock suck to all Glock lovers. In fact I tell people to bring .45's with them to shoot my Jam-o-matic, and tell them if they can put 2 mags through it they can have it. Damn it my lucks so bad I cant even give it away and it's only 1 years old. Seriously before I sell it I'm gonna try a Tungsten low poundage spring assembly from "The Glock Store" and see if that fixes it. I just feel good I'm not the only one having these problems... Will report back with findings.

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  40. My g36 was flawless for 225 rounds. Now in the last 150 had 4 fte(slide is back & the round halfway in the barrel)
    I'll probably sell it once I get my mag back from glock. The plastic was peeling off.
    1st glock - disappointed

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  41. Chris, I bought my Glock 36 in Mooresville, North Carolina in July 2013. I have had several failure to extract issues which appear identical to the issues you had with your firearm. I am using a variety of brands of ammo and continue to experience failure to extract issues. I purchased my firearm long after your lawsuit. I experienced the failure to extract issue before I read about your lawsuit. Glock continues to produce defective pistols in the Glock 36 line. Thank you for your hard work regarding your small claims suit and for putting together this blog.

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  42. Has anyone fixed their FTE?- bad mag- extr-ejec- mag- combo? Id rather fix it than send it back- its my carry and my 3rd 36 and 1st with this BS

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  43. You people are engaging the slide lock. Get a clue you morons...

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  44. I've had the same problem with my 36. The gun is a piece of grab. I'll never buy another glock! As soon as I get a minute, I'm going to sue glock as this guy did.

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  45. My guess is the extractor. Either there is not enough spring pressure (weak spring) or the extractor claw can't move in far enough to engage the rim firmly to hold the case throughout extraction and ejection. This second issue is due to excess material on either the extractor itself or on the slide's extractor recess.
    My guess is also that this failure to extract/eject only happens when the chamber is dirty and not with a clean chamber.
    If this is the case, removing metal from the forward inner contact surface of the extractor will enable the extractor to move farther inward and hold the rim more firmly. This will allow for a complete extraction and ejection of the case and proper feeding of the new round.
    My 36 has never failed, however even the best companies make mistakes.

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  46. no problems here.easily 1000 rounds.plenty of stovepipes with cheap ammo.quality brass almost neglible issues.I trust it.I like it.Pierce plus 2 extensions on both my mags

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  47. I purchased my Glock 36 a few months ago and I can't get through a magazine without at least one fte. I REALLY like the way the 36 shoots and feels and I am hoping to use some of the tips suggested here to see if it will resolve the fte's.

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